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Aaaaaaa this took forever to happen. Life got in the way and such but lots of updates:

Website updates:
General updates:
  • Currently playing SMTV, that will be the next thing for the plural media blog its just slow going because Actually Playing it and not watching a cutscene movie and running x_x  Its VERY fun though. Good vibes.
  • Still working on a driving license hhhh
  • Maybe this time is the trick and will be more active here.


Fandom Updates:
  • Uuuuuh nothing much really? Dont remember lol.
Date: 10/17/22 03:44 pm (UTC)

lb_lee: M.D. making a shocked, confused face (serious thought)
From: [personal profile] lb_lee
Agreed, a lot of our earliest records of our alter headmates are the results of us presuming we were characters and trying to shoehorn each other into stories. It was about always a failure. That would indeed make for an interesting survey! Heh, we've got a paid account, we could make a silly informal poll...

Then again, some outsourced fictives seem to have a very different relationship to their media than we do. It sounds really unpleasant to have to watch an episode of a show to get your life story back, or to feel it or the fandom IS your life, rather than stories about it. Our fictives mostly view the stories about them with feelings ranging from embarassment to scientific fascination, but the stories are just stories to them... Maybe reminders of emotional times, but no more. (Though one of us gets way more ontologically uncomfortable when we're reading about the INSPIRATIONS for his fictional self; that woogs him out more than the stories themselves.)
Date: 10/18/22 05:58 pm (UTC)

lb_lee: M.D. making a shocked, confused face (serious thought)
From: [personal profile] lb_lee
LOL WE TOTALLY DID THAT TOO! Soulbonding and "muse" stuff totally gave us cover to sidestep the whole "your misery dick must be THIS BIG to ride the multi train" problem.

Man, apparently at least onesourced fictive a friend knew came from an animated source and found non-2D visuals really weird. That just sounds like Uncanny Valley hell! (And god, imagine if you came from a super stylized or bad '90s CGI source and felt that way! That sounds like a horror story premise! Were I in that position, I'd find that suuuuper upsetting!)

We aren't really in fictive space, since being insourced kinda weeded us, but we definitely remember plenty of soulbonders who seemed to have intensely ambivalent relationships to the media--they would hate it, watching/reading it would always seem to deeply fuck with their heads, but they couldn't stop, because it was their only connection to themselves. It was always sad to see, like they couldn't build their lives forward so kept trying to crawl back into their pasts, when everything made sense to them.

And yeah, I feel like if you're a creator yourself, you quickly realize that "canon" is kinda bullshit, influenced by deadlines, pagecount limits, budget, and stupid shit like, "okay, by law we can't show red blood without censoring, so blood's hot pink now." We pretend it's some pure unsullied artistic vision, but material constraints always apply. Indeed, those limits often DEFINE the art!

Like, we have fictives from different drafts of the same source, and that's fascinating! Most of the time, they agree on how things went, and then they run into a glaring contradiction and suddenly the seams show! But we don't really have a place to discuss this, because it seems like everything falls into the false binary of, "it is exactly 1:1 like consensus reality in all ways, otherwise it's existential despairing unreal." It's like there's pressure to never discuss those seams, even though I think that shit is important and interesting!
Date: 10/19/22 03:09 pm (UTC)

lb_lee: A happy little brain with a bandage on it, enclosed within a circle with the words LB Lee. (Default)
From: [personal profile] lb_lee
I mean, I suspect many of those muse gags really were the writers dealing with soulbonding feelings. The best way to make something less scary is to make silly jokes about it, right?

God, that's so horrible. I feel like having an intense big fandom of you would be the WORST. Talk about a head trip! Especially if it's like movie fandom, which seem short-lived but INTENSE. It seems like that could be really rough on a fictive, but if people have ever discussed it outside of, "ugh my fandom sucks," I haven't seen it, and it's not really something we could write about, since we've only had one instance of a fan faving two headmates before they came back, and said fan has been polite about it.
Date: 10/19/22 10:35 pm (UTC)

lb_lee: M.D. making a shocked, confused face (serious thought)
From: [personal profile] lb_lee
People expect you to act like the canon character or be 1:1 canon compliant if they are familiar with fictives and in the fandom

That sounds horrible! What the hell happens if, I dunno, a sequel comes out years later? Are you expected to just... instantaneously update yourself accordingly? What if, for whatever reason, you CAN'T get the sequel (or plain don't want to)? Is there a grace period where it's okay, because the book is sold out or something, but if you aren't updated by X time, you're doomed? Are there rules if it's a self-owned work coming out regularly vs. a franchise owned by some giant conglomerate that constantly changes the creative team?

This sounds like it would very easily become a source of anguish and awfulness for everybody.

We have really seen one 'the source is giving me panic attacks what do I do?' post too many where we are the only people saying 'maybe stop watching your source and interacting with the fandom at large if you can' and that being some kind of revelation so its time for us to pull out the keyboards.

I mean, that you are saying this makes me sad, because oh god, this seems like such a source of totally preventable existential agony, but on the other hand, that does sound like a super useful resource that we'd love to see, even if it isn't something we ourself deal with.

(Also, wow am I even happier that all our fictives are like twenty years older and thus the fiction is all a long time ago for them.)
Date: 10/20/22 12:43 am (UTC)

lb_lee: Raige making a horrified face. (D:)
From: [personal profile] lb_lee
Wow, that sounds... really, really awful, and you're not making us feel any worse about dropping off that side of the plural planet, even though most of our plural friends have fictive members. I'm really sorry y'all've had to put up with that.

Fictives are treated pretty poorly basically everywhere honestly

IT'S TRUUUUUUUUE. D:<

its wild no one has made anything for this already

I know, right? Maybe we'll talk more about insourced stuff, even though it's out of style these days...
Date: 10/25/22 05:49 pm (UTC)

lb_lee: A clay sculpture of a heart, with a black interior containing little red, brown, white, green, and blue figures. (plural)
From: [personal profile] lb_lee
Yeah, I feel lucky that I was able to pull out and sorta become my own thing. I did join [community profile] fictionkind, but it moves so fast and has so many young people that I'm like an old lurky fogey who mostly doesn't talk because I feel like I have to learn the community norms first.

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